Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. became embroiled in a contentious discussion with CNN host Dana Bash on Sunday's "State of the Union," during which he criticized the media's role in the COVID-19 pandemic and defended his stance on vaccines.

The interview segment, which extended over 20 minutes, saw Kennedy Jr. and Bash debating vaccine hesitancy, particularly concerning the MMR vaccine, amidst a backdrop of rising measles cases in the United States. Bash pressed Kennedy Jr. on statements he has made linking vaccines to autism, suggesting these remarks contribute to a reluctance to vaccinate.

When questioned about his department's strategy to prevent future pandemics on the scale of COVID-19, Kennedy Jr. asserted that the mistakes of the earlier crisis "cannot" be repeated. Bash's interjection, "I really want to move on," visibly agitated the HHS Secretary.

"Of course you do, because you were part of the problem!" Kennedy Jr. retorted, pointing at Bash. He accused the media of "press malpractice" for not exercising "fierce skepticism toward authority" and instead "beating up the people who were dissenting."

Kennedy Jr. also referenced former COVID-19 response chief Dr. Anthony Fauci as an example of an "expert" whose guidance, he suggested, was inconsistent. Fauci's recent testimony before Congress, where he invoked the Fifth Amendment over 100 times when questioned about COVID-19 origins, was also noted. The release of Fauci's personal diaries, which documented his experience with national and international fame during the pandemic and his uncertainty about the virus's origin, was mentioned in connection with Senator Paul's investigation.

Kennedy was asked by Bash at one point what his department could do to prevent another pandemic like the coronavirus pandemic earlier this decade.

CNN's Bash and the HHS Secretary clashed over vaccines